Nails in the coffin for Kanye…

Damn, we were on some prophetic shit last week with the Kanye T shirt post (below). This weekend he fucked up royally by interrupting Taylor Swift’s VMA acceptance speech for Best Female Video. Shortly after Beyonce walked away with Best Video. Some patience would have been prudent for Mr West.

Why are we even posting this? Because here at Fat Lace we care about hip-hop and it’s dying a fucking death. One of our brightest hopes was Kanye West but he keeps on making it harder not only for himself but for us fans. Full story at The Guardian today.

We had to post the Obama video too, made us chuckle, someone was mad quick on the editing tip last night.

Finally, the Kanye that started to turn the tide back in 2003:

28 Responses to "Nails in the coffin for Kanye…"
  1. Reply brian beck from wiscompton September 14, 2009 10:18 am

    Lady Gaga dressed from head-to-toe as a used tampon when Eminem presented her with her award was the real talking point of the evening.

  2. Reply Rich September 14, 2009 13:41 pm

    Pathetic display from Yeezy – didn’t he resolve to be less of a tosser after South Park savaged him? He crossed the line between classic hip-hop arrogance and being a complete cunt ages ago, but storming on stage to interrupt an elated girl he just came off like a bully. How much attention does one prick need?

  3. Reply don king September 14, 2009 19:01 pm

    Sounds like he was trying to curry favour with his ‘Big Brother’ by kissing his wife’s arse at the expense of a fawnlike 12 year old.

    Every time Ye does something like this I wish hip-hop’s once resident swaggering bully Suge Knight was still about to give him a slap or throw a glass of piss in his face before hanging him off a fire escape…

  4. Reply Calashnikov September 14, 2009 20:55 pm

    Fuck an MTV awards show. I’m proud hip-hop stopped the show. This is what we should be doing.


  5. Reply brian beck from wiscompton September 15, 2009 05:11 am

    Most amusing photoshops of this incident so far :

  6. Reply 102 names September 15, 2009 12:08 pm

    I always said kanye was wack, he producedone of 2 good records, the rest were some bullshit, pop-rap crap. He could be the most annoying person in Hip Hop ever.

  7. Reply Rich September 15, 2009 13:16 pm

    Calashnikov – Dirty’s antics were classic but you can’t be serious about Kanye.

    It’s not Tommy Smith and John Carlos at the 1968 Olympics. It’s not Kim Basinger protesting Do The Right Thing’s snubbing at the 1990 Oscars or Marlon Brando sending a faux Native American on stage to protest Hollywood’s depiction of America’s indigenous people back in 1972.

    It’s an attention-seeking twit acting like a straight bitch (again) at an inconsequential celeb-fest. Hip-hop didn’t stop the show, a cunt did. At least ODB was funny.

  8. Reply Calashnikov September 16, 2009 08:59 am

    Dunno about you guys, but I’d much prefer our stars to be up there, acting like cunts rather than have a mob of dead-eyed pussies staring out of magazines smiling. I’m not denying he acted like a cunt, but I’m glad he did it during such an abhorrent, vacuous show as the bloody MTV (spit) video awards. All these cunts sitting about, sucking eachothers dicks, boring our tits off. Plus, it’s a fucking VIDEO award. Taylor Swift’s input on that video was simply showing up for the shoot then fucking off. So I’m not having any of this shite about her crying her little eyes out backstage. I hadn’t even heard of her before this. Now watch her soar. It’s the best thing that’s ever happened to her!

  9. Reply Calashnikov September 16, 2009 09:02 am

    Actually, wasn’t Taylor Swift in D-12?

  10. Reply brian beck from wisconsin September 16, 2009 11:35 am

    I agree with Calashnikov on all points.

    I thought it was a supreme act of trolling from KanYe and, in an era of rappers cozying up the blandest of MOR cracker artists, it was a breath of fresh air to see a rapper piss on the parade of some acoustic guitar strumming country dullard.

    Yeezy’s eurotrash outfit on the other hand, now that was a travesty.

  11. Reply Rich September 16, 2009 18:04 pm

    It’s precisely the vaccuousness of the event that makes Yeezy looks stupid – dude was acting like Beyonce not getting the award was some huge miscarriage of justice. It’s Beyonce having one less pewter moonman to put in her attic, not Rosa Parks getting sent to the back of the bus. Plus, it’s the fact that Yeezy’s done this before – his antics are just plain tired at this stage, like he’s the drunken uncle who everyone knows is going to make a tit of himself at the party. Also, and perhaps more seriously for Ye’s legacy, this latest outburst -when combined with his other hissy fits- really undermines his infamous Hurricane Katrina / Bush-baiting incident. Does anyone really think that Kanye cared whether or not Bush cared about black people? Or was he just exploiting a tragedy to grandstand for his own gain?

  12. Reply Calashnikov September 16, 2009 22:34 pm

    I totally agree with you, Rich. He’s made an utter cunt of himself here. All I’m saying is that this isn’t necessarily a bad thing for us, the fans. There’s entertainment to be had here. I just think there’s something utterly lolsome and quite believable about Kanye’s head of mince arriving at the conclusion that Beyonce losing this award is some kind of tragedy. He’s completely out of touch with reality. The ignorance is stunning. But I truly believe that this *is* great for all us lowly proles, all things considered. We simply don’t need wave after wave of conformist, sensible dullards providing our “entertainment.” Particularly not from our rap stars.

    Think of all the anti-social fucking hip-hop nutters who we’ve worshipped throughout our lives. From drug dealers, through thieves, crackheads, homophobes, pimps, misogynists, gangsters and all that other good stuff in-between, our favourite genre of music here has always been blessed with some legendary, ignorant fuckers. Crucially, they’ve each been as entertaining as the last. What about that recent Ghostface video where he ragged on promiscuous women, but not promiscuous men? He outright said that men and women were not equal. Like… he broadcast this ridiculous, abhorrent opinion of his on the fucking radio for the whole world to hear. I was like, “WTF” at the ignorance, but did it knock Tony Starks off ‘My Number One MC’ slot? Did it fuck. If anything, it cemented the position. The mad fucking bastard! Fact is, we need a nice blend of different types of characters in our music. I wouldn’t look to Necro for nice sentiments and pontificating on the merits of a loving relationship or whatever, but there have been such songs by the likes of Common or Talib Kweli that I’ve enjoyed. By the same token, I wouldn’t go looking for Kanye West to sit quietly at an awards show. To be perfectly honest, most of the time I can’t wait to see what his next embarrassing fuck-up will be. You’re dead right that he’s the drunken uncle of rap right now, but I’m like that black sheep in the family who secretly gets a kick out of seeing that uncle fall through a table right after he’s called gran a cunt. I don’t care what all the other party-goers think of him when that shit goes down. I know where he’s come from and I’m proud that he’s able to get up on top of the table in the first place and shit. What I don’t want is him going up there, trying to act all nice and lah-de-dah in front of all these high society cats at the function. He needs to go up there and keep it real and shit like that.

    As for Ye’s Hurricane Katrina outburst, I NEVER thought that was a credible protest, but I do believe it was heartfelt. Much like this latest episode, trivial enough as it is. The guy’s a fuckwit. I just think we should embrace that. He’s on some Prince Philip shit or something. An entirely out-of-touch, rich, ignorant fucker with stupid clothes and an androgynous bitch… but a laugh riot with it.

  13. Reply Calashnikov September 16, 2009 22:55 pm

    ACTUALLY… Isn’t Taylor Swift down with The X-Ecutioners?

  14. Reply 102 names September 17, 2009 11:39 am

    I’d rather see rappers saying something positive and constructive rather than moaning. Brian, you just seem to love everything that is crap about rap! You aid it’s death, while Hip Hop lives on a million miles away from kanye, jigga and co in artists that know the difference between the culture and commerciability of the music and make dope shit without any recourse to awards, big profits or anything other than thie artform or integrity and maybe some respect from fans who know their shit, not people who like a bullshit watered down interpretation of hip hop music because .

  15. Reply 102 names September 17, 2009 11:40 am

    …beacuse they are self deluded fans of something that isn’t hip hop.

  16. Reply brian beck from wiscompton September 17, 2009 12:02 pm

    God, shut the fuck up you annoying twerp.

    Hip hop is for humourless backpackers. I listen to rap music.

  17. Reply Rich September 17, 2009 13:29 pm

    Calashnikov, I can wholeheartedly agree that the world’s a more entertaining place for Kanye… and likewise Ghostface and his ‘wisdom’ (and Rae’s recent gaybashing, Cam’ron’s entire career etc).

    With respect, I think you’ll find Taylor Swift rolls with The Alkaholics, though.

  18. Reply 102 names September 18, 2009 04:01 am

    ‘one of our biggest hopes was kanye west’ ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, and brian, you are the online equivalent of those tits I see driving round in ford fiestas with tinted windows blasting eminem, pac and TI thinking their a gangster, I’d rather be a backpacker who listens to music that isn’t racist, homophobic, ignorant and killing the minds of the people woldwide, the devil must be happy that you are on his side.

  19. Reply 102 names September 18, 2009 04:11 am

    sexist, pro-gun, glamourising violence, some of the beats may be OK, but most of these rappers have verbal diorreah and the sad thing is that they are role models for kids and people like Brian Beck endorse them, they are killing the minds of the next generation by supporting that bullshit.

  20. Reply brian beck from wiscompton September 18, 2009 09:17 am

    LOLd Dirty Bastard.

    You have to be a parody poster. You simply can’t be a real person, but if you are, I gotta love a guy that’s praised Schoolly D and Kool G. Rap on here who then moans about rap which is, i quote : “racist, homophobic, ignorant and killing the minds of the people woldwide”.

    For the record, i don’t listen to Eminem or that rapist 2pac, although, 2 Of Amerikaz Most Wanted with Snoop is THE jam.


  21. Reply Calashnikov September 18, 2009 10:07 am

    “I’d rather be a backpacker who listens to music that isn’t racist, homophobic, ignorant”

    Such as? Face it, man. Violent, ingnorant hip-hop is great. Obviously, you need to mix it up a bit with other stuff, but you simply can’t discount the numerous legendary hip-hop artists who’ve made songs about violence. You’re trying to tell me that you count yourself as a hip-hop fan, but would seriously never listen to any one of Cypress Hill, NWA, Beatnuts, Kool G Rap, RA the Rugged Man, Freddie Foxxx, Geto Boys, Wu-Tang, Pharoahe Monch, Guilty Simpson, Schoolly D, Mobb Deep, M.O.P., Non Phixion or Redman?! Cause that’d be a shitload of classic hip-hop you’d be missing out on. Now who’s ignorant? Haha!

    Banana milkshake-sipping, bed wetting Ugly Duckling fans need to man the fuck up. It’s only entertainment. Do you refuse to watch Die Hard as well?

  22. Reply Calashnikov September 18, 2009 10:13 am

    Oh, and I just caught your sexist diss, and talk about sexist MCs having verbal diorreah. Sexist MCs like Big Daddy Kane and Kool Keith, dude? Fucking wack mic control from those dudes, yeah. No doubt.

  23. Reply vallejo September 18, 2009 12:02 pm

    As a well-rounded hip-hop listener, when i get home i’m putting on ‘Death Certificate’ and cracking open the Nesquik.

  24. Reply 102 names September 19, 2009 13:14 pm

    things have changed, I realised what I was feeding my head with and find it hard to hear those kind of lyrics now, people got to move on from all that negative stuff, I still love the sounds, love the music, but most rappers talk shite, they did back then and still do now, maybe my view will change again, maybe I’m being too serious about it, but when you have kids and meet people in life who have been through all kinds hard times because of violence then it’s hard to listen to MC’s acting bragging about violence, I don’t mind if it’s story telling reality raps or violence as obvious metaphoar ie. killin a soundboy, but MC’s rapping about it and degrading women and stuff for a cheap thrill I can’t get with now, and I was never a big fan of R.A. I always hated Necro, and for the record I think ugly duckling are wack. I mainly listen soul, funk, jazz, now, and some of the more mature, grown up Hip Hop out there, there’s plenty of it and it and it don’t involve no ugly duckling or them long bearded white rapper types. If I was still 15 I’d probably love weezy, jeezy and co, but I’m not.

    Ps. Brian I know your a discerning Hip Hop head from long time, I know you know where I’m coming from too because if you read interviews with people like chuck d, krs etc. some of the originators you know they have similar feelings about what hip Hop in 2009 has become, there’s a million b-girls campaigning of how women have been treated in such a male dominated artform, do you think they aren’t Hip Hop just because a lot of records came out by men (records/tracks aren’t just what makes Hip Hop are they?). It started as a movement for peace. We all chuckled at 2-live and just Ice cursing and being sexist as kids, but we’re grown men now, I wanna be on the side of Hip Hop’s growth in the positive direction, not the negative.

  25. Reply 102 names September 19, 2009 13:34 pm

    lets try and change Hip Hop for the better as fans and not support any new music that degrades women, especially black women, because were mostly middle aged white men on here, why the fuck do we want to support something that degrades black women???

    check this out for a black woman’s perspective:

    The Exploitation of Women in Hip-hop Culture
    By Ayanna

    Hip-hop is the latest expressive manifestation of the past and current experience as well as the collective consciousness of African-American and Latino-American youth. But more than any music of the past, it also expresses mainstream American ideas that have now been internalized and embedded into the psyches of American people of color over time.

    A part of the learned mainstream American culture is sexism and misogyny. Hip-hop culture is frequently condemned for its misogynistic exploitation of women, but this misogyny has its roots in the culture in which we live. Hip-hop but can be explored and used as a valuable tool in examining gender relations. It brings to surface the issues that face many young people, such as discrimination, peer relations, and self-worth, that can be considered in order to bring about change in the misogynistic aspects of hip-hop culture and American culture, in general. For young people that do not hold sexist ideals, mainstream hip-hop may influence them to do so as it spreads and continuously gains popularity. And others are directly and indirectly supporting an environment that allows sexism to continue.

    Exploitation of women in hip-hop culture has become an accepted part of it for both the artists and audiences alike, and many critics blame the music without looking any deeper. When going to any hip-hop related event, my friends and I normally expect that we will be disrespected verbally and physically, and have to prepare ourselves accordingly. We have to be careful in choosing what clothes to wear, how we carry ourselves and what we say. I have often wondered why it is so acceptable (for men and women) and what the roots of the values expressed in the culture are.

    Hip-hop culture, started by black and Latino youth in New York City, (by definition) encompasses rapping (and now singing), deejaying, break-dancing, and graffiti-writing, but has evolved to be much more than that. It is now a lifestyle for many young people mostly between the ages of 13 and 30. It now involves music videos, fashion, language, the club scene, and the general way in which young people interact with one another. Hip-hop culture is widely used in commercials (Coca-Cola, Burger King), fashion advertisements, video games, TV shows, and there is even a hip-hop exhibit at the Brooklyn Museum of Art. The most powerful and influential part of hip-hop culture has come to be rap music, a form of poetry that is said over musical instrumentation. In recent years rap music has developed a reputation of being brutally honest, violent, and misogynistic.

    Much of the music and many videos specifically transmit, promote, and perpetuate negative images of black women. All women, but mostly black women in particular are seen in popular hip-hop culture as sex objects. Almost every hip-hop video that is regularly run today shows many dancing women (usually surrounding one or two men) wearing not much more than bikinis, with the cameras focusing on their body parts. These images are shown to go along with a lot of the explicit lyrics that commonly contain name calling to suggest that women are not worth anything more than money, if that. Women are described as being only good for sexual relations by rappers who describe their life as being that of a pimp. In many popular rap songs men glorify the life of pimps, refer to all women as they think a pimp would to a prostitute, and promote violence against women for ‘disobeying.’

    Of course, not all rap songs are misogynistic and all black men do not speak and think this way, but large percentages within hip-hop culture do. The name calling disrespects, dehumanizes, and dishonors women. If a man labels a woman with any of these names, he may feel justified in committing physical or psychological violence against her. The name-calling may also be representative of the way these men are thinking and feeling the anger, disdain, and ill feelings toward women. Joan Morgan, who refers to herself as a hip-hop feminist, reveals, “Yeah, sistas are hurt…But the real crime isn’t the name-calling, it’s their failure to love us—to be our brothers in the way that we commit ourselves to being their sistas.”[1] Many black men within hip-hop culture who battle racism and oppression themselves everyday have been conditioned by society not to trust or love, and if they do not love themselves, it is difficult for them to love women or anyone else in a healthy manner.

    Misogynistic hip-hop does not only expose black men’s pain, but it also shows the issues that black women may want to deal with. Much of the sexual exploitation in hip-hop culture is done with the consent and collaboration of women. A significant amount of misogynistic hip-hop consumers are women, and hundreds of bikini-donned women show up for the music video shoots as unpaid participants.[2] Dance clubs and backstages of concerts are flooded with women who express willingness to do anything sexually with a man to get drinks, money, jewelry, or just to feel privileged and wanted.

    Women, especially black women, have less access to power, material wealth, and protection and so have historically used sex (in prostitution and various other domains) as the “bartering chip” to gain access.[3] Misogynistic ideas and practices from the past have been passed down to today’s hip-hop youth. For example, during slavery the black woman was often forced to have sexual relations with any male (slavemasters, overseers, and slaves) that desired her. Black women were sometimes used as breeding instruments to produce more human property, and at other times forced to have sex to pay the for food, the safety of her children, or to be treated less harshly on a day to day basis. They were “paying” with their bodies as a survival strategy.

    Out of this emerged the stereotype of black women as promiscuous and oversexed, and this shaped some black women’s sexual morality. Some started to look at themselves as society viewed them, and some accepted that they had no control over their own bodies. When trying to fit into white society after slavery and take on ascribed white gender roles. Some black men wanted black women to have a subordinate role in the home while some women wanted men to be the sole economic providers. They have been, for the most part, unable to meet each other’s expectations, but these same obsessions are demonstrated in hip-hop culture. Some women want men to be the economic providers, and use their sexual power to receive economic gain from men. While some men within hip-hop want women to be passive and have learned to manipulate women by offering money and power to them.

    In a study done about black male/female relationships of the hip-hop generation, many black men in the hip-hop culture that were interviewed valued economic resources and used these resources as a way to manipulate and control women. And some women negotiated with their bodies for things that they wanted.[4] In order to gain access to these things and to get the love and attention from men that they want, some women felt they must cater to the exploitative images of what men want and think women should be.

    Many women defined their own worth on what they can do for and get from a man. Some women were willing to take risks with their bodies, minds and hearts hoping to raise their socio-economic status and gain security for their children’s future, and they have learned to use their sexuality to do this. Vibe Magazine talked to four women in the September 2001 issue who all regularly had one-night stands or on-going sexual relationships with rappers. One of the women Vibe talked to is Nikki, a 30-year-old woman who has had many lovers in the hip-hop industry. Vibe said, “…her lovers read like a Who’s Who of rap.”[5] Her reason for partaking in multiple insignificant relationships with rappers was, “I’ve got nothing to offer…No education, no good job, no nothing. So why would a man want me, other than sex? I felt I had to give, so I used myself.”[6] Many women like Nikki are put all of the blame on themselves for being used by men. They assumed and accepted that men would oppress and disrespect them. As another one of the women described, “If you had the right kind of man that wasn’t controlling, and you were like a team, it’d be cool…But there’s no man out there like that.”[7] The four women described a new low in relationships between men and women within the hip-hop community. Men thought that women were only worth giving them sexual favors, and women thought men are only worth giving them money.

    Censorship of hip-hop music is not the solution. Instead, the solution is to change the culture, system, and ideology so misogynist lyrics are not written. There are female hip-hop artists and consumers who are trying to fight against the hip-hop misogyny, but many times they are not taken seriously. Some female artists try to work within the current male-dominated industry and play the expected misogynist role. Others are seen as misusing sex and feminism and devaluing black men, or just “shootin’ off at the mouth.”[8]

    Education is the first step in changing gender relations in the hip-hop community. People first need to be made aware that women’s rights are being violated verbally in the sexist lyrics, in physical interactions at hip-hop events, and in the general way that hip-hop youth interact with one another everyday. Each individual can remember the roots of his/her own internalized sexist ideology. Knowing the history of this ideology, we can keep history from being repeated. A change in the hip-hop culture’s collective consciousness can spread to the larger population, or vice versa. We need knowledge to act and speak out against the exploitation of women, not only in hip-hop culture, but in all cultures everywhere.

    1. Morgan, Joan. When Chickenheads Come Home to Roost: My Life as a Hip-hop Feminist. New York: Simon and Schuster, 1999. 74.

    2. Morgan, Joan. 78

    3. Morgan, Joan. 77

    4. Hutchinson, Janis Faye. “The hip hop generation African American male-female relationships in nightclub settings.” Journal of Black Studies. Sept. 1999. 73

    5. Dobie, Kathy. “Love’s Labor Lost.” Vibe. Sept. 2001. 196.

    6. Dobie, Kathy. 196.

    7. Dobie, Kathy. 198.

    8. Keyes, Cheryl. “Empowering self, making choices, creating spaces: Black female identity via rap music performance.” Journal of American Folklore. Summer 2000. 77.

    Related articles:

    The Exploitation of Women in Hip-hop Culture
    Influence of Mass Media

  26. Reply 102 names September 19, 2009 14:07 pm

    this one especially for the ice-cube fan…another worthwhile read if your interested on the impact of the music we listen or used to listen to, and especially buy into, may effect others:

  27. Reply Dom P September 19, 2009 14:42 pm

    102 names trolling > Kenny West’s trolling

  28. Reply brian beck from wiscompton September 20, 2009 07:22 am

    UGK plus Webbie & Boosie reply to Ayanna’s The Exploitation of Women in Hip-hop Culture piece :

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